John Thurtell, father of James Thurtell-Murray and grandfather of Frances Jane Kraushaar, was born 12 August 1762 and christened 29 August 1762, at St. Julian's, Norwich, Norfolk. He grew up in Flixton Parish in Suffolk, since his parents had moved there by 1772. He was later a land surveyor in Norwich and is thought to have owned numerous properties in Lothingland Hundred, Suffolk, where he lived. He settled in Hopton Parish in Suffolk prior to his marriage. (At that time, his elder sister Sarah was living with him, probably as his housekeeper, as she was married in Hopton church. The church, now a ruin - (52°32'19.44"N, 1°43'46.20"E) - was the scene of many Thurtell baptisms and marriages.) [SH comments: It had a thatched roof and burned down in about the 1860s when the heating system went wrong and set fire to the chimney. Currently parts of it are unsafe and you aren't allowed into it at all. The gravestones have all been removed to make the graveyard into a sort of mini-park.]
A "hundred" was an historical administrative division of an English county. Sukie Hunter points out that Lothingland hundred is the part of Suffolk between Lowestoft on the south, the sea on the east, the River Yare on the north and the River Waveney on the west. It was combined with the hundred of Mutford (south of Lowestoft and west as far as Beccles) to make the registration district of Mutford and Lothingland. Lothingland is a useful concept because it is a very distinct entity, quite hilly and surrounded by water and/or marshes on all four sides. You still can't get there without going over a bridge across a fairly substantial waterway.Family tradition relates that John Thurtell and Anne Browne were married in a triple wedding ceremony. Her sister, Susanna Browne (b. 1764) married his brother, Thomas Thurtell, and her brother, Robert Browne (b. 1760), married his sister, Sarah Thurtell, on the same day.
The parish record of Blundeston says:
John Thurtell of the parish of Hopton, single man, and Ann Brown of this parish, single woman, were married in this Church (52°30'53.99"N, 1°42'11.06"E) by Licence 25 September 1787. Signed John Thurtell, Ann Browne. Witnesses James Thurtell, Robert Browne.
Thomas Thurtell of this parish, single man, and Susanna Brown of this parish, single woman, were married in this Church by Licence 25 September 1787. Signed Thomas Thurtell, Susannah Browne. Witnesses James Thurtell, Robert Browne. [These were the parents of the murderer.]
The parish record of Hopton says:
Robert Browne of the Parish of Blundeston single man and Sarah Thurtell of this parish single woman were married in this Church (52°32'19.44"N, 1°43'46.20"E) by Licence this 25th day of Septr 1787. Signed Robert Browne, Sarah Thurtell. Witnesses Elizabeth Colver and Eliza(be)th Thurtell.
So it seems they were married on the same day in two different parishes. They may well have had a triple wedding breakfast somewhere in Blundeston.
Three sets of tea cups and saucers were presented to the three brides on their wedding day by the Lowestoft China Works. The grandfather of the three Brownes married on that day was Robert Browne, one of the founding partners in 1757 of the Lowestoft China Works. Their father was John Browne who married Mary Skoulding; all their children were apparently born in Lowestoft.
After their marriage, John and Anne Thurtell lived in Hopton for 15 years, perhaps at Hopton Hall (52°32'41.82"N, 1°42'26.61"E) or a nearby farm. At this time, John Thurtell was at loggerheads with Rev. Norton Nicholls over the payment of his tithes: see letter of 24 Nov 1803 (88 KB) regarding a "false receipt". Nicholls made a note to himself that he had not replied other than to send a corrected receipt. Norton Nicholls was a great friend of Thomas Grey, he of the Elegy, which explains his significance to the academic community - they wrote to one another for years.
The family moved from the Parish of Hopton to Hobland Hall Farm (52°33'15.54"N, 1°41'49.64"E) in the Parish of Bradwell on 6 April 1804. (See letter of 02 Apr 1804 [75 KB] asking the Rector what he wanted done with the Hopton parish records.) The clashes with Rev. Nicholls over thithes continued (see letter of 29 Oct 1804 [174 KB] on the subject of turnips). From correspondence held by Yale University Library we learn that John's brother Thomas, later Mayor of Norwich and father of the murderer, also repeatedly quarrelled with Rev. Nicholls.
In 1823, the John Thurtell family moved (back?) to Hopton Hall, less than one mile away from Hobland Hall. In that year Hobland Hall and other extensive properties belonging to John Thurkell (Thurtell), a bankrupt, were sold by auction in Yarmouth as announced in the local newspaper. The Ipswich Journal of 11 and 26 July 1823 has advertisements for sale of this manor at the Bear Inn, Yarmouth, 9th August 1823, by order of the assignees of the estate of John Thurtell, a bankrupt, of the Equity of Redemption of Estates situated at Bradwell, Hopton, Belton, etc. of the sites of the Manors of Hobland and Hopton, also a mansion house called Hobland Hall, several farms, etc., containing about 630 acres.
Either John Thurtell avoided total ruin, or possibly Hopton Hall where he afterwards lived was by then the property of his eldest son, John Jr. This was the time of an unprecedented number of bankruptcies in England. Indeed, these must have been grim times for the family, for 1823-4 was also the time of the Thurtell murder scandal.
By 1842 John Thurtell was living just outside Norwich, as early in that year his granddaughter Elizabeth Anne Thurtell wrote to her cousin Edward Brookes Thurtell that 'Grandfather still is declining and will not so he thinks be long spared, but he walks into the City twice a day, and is in his 80th year'. Despite his pessimism, he lived for another four years, dying in Willow Lane, St Giles, Norwich on 10 Sep 1846 and being buried beside his wife in the Thurtell vault in Blundeston church.
John and Anne Thurtell are buried in the vault under the west end of the church at Blundeston, Suffolk. The stone marking the entrance to the vault is in the floor to the left of the old font. There were four tablets in the floor around it (and two on the wall) commemorating the various Thurtells who were buried in the vault, and the two listing John and Anne (at the bottom of the tablet commemorating Robert Browne and Sarah Thurtell and their daughter Mary) and John's parents were lifted (probably in 1993) and propped up against the north wall of the church (see photograph).
John and Anne Browne Thurtell had twelve children who survived childhood. All twelve were believed to have been born at Hobland Hall, Bradwell Parish, and christened at the Old Font in the Church of St. Mary the Virgin, Blundeston. However, contemporary records of baptisms in the parish of Hopton have now been found for all but one of the children, and in some instances the birthplace too is given as Hopton. They may still have been baptised in Blundeston. Norton Nicholls, Rector of Bradwell, seems to have been responsible also for Hopton (John Thurtell certainly asked him what he wanted done with the Hopton Poor Records when John moved to Bradwell). It is possible that he baptised the children in Blundeston, which was more convenient for him since he lived there, but put the baptisms in the Hopton Parish Record because their parents lived in Hopton. The youngest son, Alexander, was born in Bradwell in 1805, so perhaps by then they were living at Hobland Hall (see above).
The only one of these children who lived in the area for any length of time was John, the eldest, some of whose children were baptised in Hopton, but he died in Great Yarmouth. Benjamin was married in Hopton. John's brother George's son, George Jr, died in Lound, but is buried in Blundeston, as are John and Anne.
The following is a summary of that generation:
| Born | Married | Died | Notes | |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| John | 9 Sep 1788 | Mary Brookes, whose sister was married to Tom Thurtell, elder brother of the murderer). | 7 Apr 1794 in Yarmouth | Had a number of children, all with Brookes as a middle name and based in Yarmouth, but the rest of the family seems to have had little contact with them. They included John Brookes Thurtell (b. 1816), who was a sea captain on the Australia run, and now has at least one descendant in Canada; Edward Brookes Thurtell, who emigrated to the US, had five children and was a farmer in Wisconsin when his Aunt Anne rediscovered him on her trip to America; and two daughters who married cousins called Sherrington, one of whom was the mother of the Nobel prizewinner Sir Charles Sherrington. SH comments: It seems almost certain that Sir Charles Sherrington was the illegitimate son of Anne Thurtell Sherrington and Caleb Rose, as JN Sherrington, who was not a doctor but an ironmonger, had died 7 years before Charles was born and Anne had run off to Islington with Caleb (taking Caleb's son Edward but leaving his two little daughters with their mother) some time in the mid-1850s. Incidentally, Caleb's brother George, who was also a surgeon, was the first wife of Sophia Thurtell's daughter Kate Everitt (he died in 1851 aged about 27, almost exactly a year after the wedding, and Kate later married a clergyman called Wells who was the vicar/rector of St John's, March, Cambridgeshire). Edward Rose's papers are in Cambridge University Library. |
| Anne | Oct 1789 Hopton, Suffolk |
- | 14 Mar 1790 Hopton, Suffolk |
Died aged 5 months. |
| James | 17 Nov 1790 Hopton, Suffolk |
Sarah Holt 25 Oct 1818 5 children survived childhood |
1 Dec 1867 London Buried Abney Park |
See link on name. |
| Anne Photo (146K) |
12 Dec 1791 Blundeston, Suffolk |
George Everitt in
Bradwell, Suffolk 20 Oct 1817 No children. Husband died 20 Feb 1844, Bradwell |
Dec 1866 in Hastings, England Residence at death: 33 Pelham St., Brompton, W. London Buried in vault with husband at Caister, Norfolk |
The "Aunt Everitt" of the letters. See her diary of a voyage to see her brother Benjamin in North America, where she also met Edward Browne (son of sister Maria of Pudding Norton) and family, and "rediscovered" her nephew Edward Brookes Thurtell who had been absent 17 years. See also letter of 9 Feb 1866 re her death and will (valued at "under £3000"). |
| Maria | 5 Feb 1793 | 8 Oct 1814 at Witton nr. Blofield, Norfolk, to John Browne whose father Robert was her mother's elder brother 24 children of whom 11 survived. |
Camberwell Reg. District, S. London, 4Q 1875 | The "Aunt Browne" of the letters. Lived at Pudding Norton Hall nr. Fakenham in Norfolk. Children included: John Robert b. 1815, a farmer in Sussex who retired to Hackney (most of his children went to South Africa or Australia and his son Arthur, an accountant who remained in London, changed his name to Heitland); Martin b.1817, a solicitor, who ended up in Birkenhead, Cheshire; Horace b. 1819 (whose business burned down, perhaps in Australia); Anna Maria b. 1820, who visited Sarah Murray in 1867 (Sarah deemed her 'a nice person but very peculiar'); Caroline b. 1821 (reputed to have married & gone to Australia); Emma b. 1822, a Plymouth sister who died in 1859 aged 35 - her 1845 drawing of Pudding Norton Hall still exists; Frederick Thurtle b. 1824 (reputed to have drowned on the way to Australia); Herbert Howard b. 1825 (went to South Africa); Edward b. 1826, who was in Canada when visited by Aunt Everitt, but subsequently moved to South Africa; and Clara ('Mrs Lewis') b. 1827, who lived in St Albans, where her husband was a chemist & druggist and sometime mayor, and died leaving her with 9 children, 3 of whom from his former wife (letter of 18 June 1868). Then there were 11 children, including four sets of twins, who died in infancy, and finally Henry Heitland b. 1839. A couple of other children died in childhood. |
| Edward | 7 Apr 1794 |
Sarah Browne on 1 Jan 1818, Gorleston, Suffolk (She was elder sister of Aunt [Maria] Browne's husband.) 13 children, of whom 7 died in infancy. |
13 Feb 1852 Caton, Suffolk |
From 20 May 1806, midshipman in RN, lieutenant from 3 Feb 1815; resigned 1815. Then Curate, ultimately in Lancashire (from 1841 Perpetual Curate of Caton). His story is recounted in a Memoir by his son. Children called themselves Manfred: (Sarah) Annie and Carrie (Caroline), who ran a boys' school in London at 14 Pembridge Crescent, Kensington; Henry, a doctor, who lived in Cincinnati but died on 25 Sept 1898 in Bournemouth leaving an estate of nearly £4000; Charles who also lived in Cincinnati (he disgraced himself by pleading alienship to avoid fighting in the Civil War, subsequently boarded with his brother and sister-in-law and died 4 Jan 1868 [of TB?]- letters of 6 Nov 1864, 3 Nov 1865, Oct 1867, 3 April 1868 and 18 June 1868); Edward, an architect, who d. in London in summer of 1859 aged 40, seemingly of liver disease caused by "intemperate living" (his son Edmund emigrated to NSW); and Herbert Manfred, author of the Memoir, who d. in 1857 in St. Thomas district (Jamaica, or possibly Barbados). |
| Benjamin | 9 Jun 1795 |
Anne Barber 9 Nov 1820, Hopton - Sarah Ann Davie, in Canada |
31 Aug 1854 | Migrated 1834 to Guelph, Ont. Was Reeve, magistrate, mayor. See sister Anne's diary of her visit to him. Had three sons: Benjamin was a miller in Guelph and had five daughters; Francis moved to the US and went into real estate; and George (his only child by his second wife) carried on the family farm in Guelph . Benjamin's middle daughter, Ellen, married at 17 and had 13 children. The eldest, William Julius Mickle, appears in George Murray's letters as he was a doctor in London for some time; in 1881 he was the superintendent of an insane asylum in Bow. |
| Walter Photo (149K). |
15 Jun 1796 Norfolk |
Honor Clarke 21 Jul 1819, Great Yarmouth. |
7 Nov 1880 Kings Lynn, Norfolk |
Miller at Wighton, near Wells in Norfolk, where in October 1836 he seems to have suffered a bankruptcy. Remained at Wighton until the mid-1850s, when he sold up, went to Newcastle and became a flour factor. He is the 'Uncle Walter' of Sarah's letters, making visits as a happy widower to his children in London; his son, Sydney Turner, also makes regular appearances in the letters. At the time of his death, Walter lived at 56 Clayton Park Square, Newcastle-upon-Tyne, and his estate was valued at "under £12,000". All Walter's children seem to have called themselves Turner except the eldest, Walter, who lived in Sutton and interested himself in family history; and Horace, who went to South Africa and is the only one with any descendants. The other children were Honor, Clara, Bertha and Augusta. From Sarah's letters the daughters would appear all, apart from Augusta who was in a "wholesale house" in London, to have been teachers or governesses. Honor died in Gravesend in 1905; we know little of Clara after 1851 except that she died unmarried in 1863 in Wem, Shropshire, where she may have been a governess.
Bertha appears in the 1871 census as a "daily governess" in her Manfred cousins' school in Kensington; Augusta Turner appears often enough, as a visitor to Sarah Murray (and see, e.g., the photo with Anne Evans in her chaise). |
| Caroline Likeness (172K) |
17 Jul 1797 |
"John" Clarke 6 children all died young |
Perhaps 1857 - see Henry Manfred letter. | Said to be very beautiful. John Clarke may be Benjamin, the 'Uncle Clarke' whose death is reported in the letter of 8 May 1868, in which case Caroline ran a boarding house in Paddington, West London. According to one letter, this was thought "a poor marriage". |
| Alfred Photo (104K). |
3 Sep 1798 Hopton |
Mary Everitt (photo - 60K) 29 Dec 1829 in Caister-on-Sea, Norfolk |
25 Apr 1875 Graaf Reinet, Karoo, S. Africa |
Changed name to Murray. Went to South Africa; had three surviving sons and a daughter and now has descendants in South Africa and in Canada. |
| Harriet | 1 Jun 1800 Hopton, Suffolk |
- | 29 Nov 1800 Hobland Hall |
Died at age 5 months. |
| Charlotte Photo (6K). |
15 Aug 1801 Blundeston |
Unmarried. | 13 Jun 1861 in Liverpool |
Mentioned in Anne Everitt's diary and a letter or two of Sarah's; lived in Everton, Liverpool and ran a finishing school for girls. Died leaving "under £100". |
| Sophia | 4 Oct 1803 |
William Everitt 1824 in Gubton, Suffolk He was younger brother of George and Mary Everitt |
18 Mar 1891 North Cove Hall, Suffolk |
'Aunt William Everitt' of the letters. Lived at North Cove Hall, near Beccles in Suffolk, and hosted family reunions. She had numbers of children and grandchildren but all her Everitt grandsons died without issue. A granddaughter, Clare One ("Cissy"), b. 28 March 1878 m. Oct 1914 Basil Ray, a captain of the Union Castle line. The Ray branch, at least, seems to have continued. |
| Alexander Photo (151K). |
21 Nov 1805 Hobland Hall |
Mary Gordon Ellis (c. 1820-1858), in 1854 2 children: Mary Alice Thurtell (d. Sep 1864, aged 7 - see letter 18 Nov 64) William Ellis Thurtell b. Oxburgh, Norfolk c. 1858 |
21 Oct 1884 at Oxburgh Rectory Personal estate £8,770/9/2 |
Mathematical Tripos, Cambridge; fellow of Caius College. Rector of Oxburgh/vicar of Foulden in 1851 census. Published posthumous volume of wife's poetry which is in the British Library. Had one surviving child, Willie, who studied medicine but apparently never graduated, became an atheist, was married and divorced rapidly around 1890, went to South America c. 1900, and eventually returned to England. |
The story continues with James Thurtell [-Murray] aka James Murray.